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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 17, 2011 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Bet you didn't know that when the Garcia Band played Duke University on 4/4/76, they were professionally filmed by a TV crew (just like the Dead's 4/12/78 Duke show)....and Duke U still has the tapes. But no one can see them.

More details in the comments here:
http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2011/02/april-4-1976-page-auditorium-duke.html

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Poster: Jim F Date: Feb 17, 2011 11:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

VERY interesting...

Though I'm somewhat confused about the status of the "surviving recordings." Do they circulate, digitally anyway? They don't seem to be listed anywhere but thejerrysite.com, where setlists are given. I don't see them on the source lists on etree, lossless legs, etc.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2011 2:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Can't help there. Maybe it's a very very rare tape, or sounded so awful it never made the jump to digital, or the jerrysite is mistaken.

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Poster: jjoops Date: Feb 18, 2011 5:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

It's basically the latter. There are some truly dreadful-sounding JGB tapes from March and April 1976 that basically never "made the jump", as you say.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 18, 2011 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

These tapes need to be transferred immediately. Someone needs to "take charge of this project" immediately. I can volunteer -- to this person -- my services, experiences, equipment (tools) and knowledge as a video electronics maintenance technician. I have 30 years experience with video tape recorders of many different formats.

1) The Archivist at Duke University should state, in no uncertain terms: what tapes we are talking about; his dedication to take this project to completion; how Duke University would be willing to cooperate with others (like myself); etc.

2) Duke and others need to commit to this project financially.

3) A video tape deck(s) of the correct format must be located in a facility somewhere.

4) Someone like myself needs to have a simple conversation with the engineer-in-charge at the facility to make some arrangements, discuss some plans and backup plans, and see if we can make an agreement.

5) Attempt a transfer.

In short, if two or more video tape engineers cannot get these tapes to playback, the chances are that these tapes are worthless. I am confident that I personally could make this determination. I need to get access to a facility with the correct format tape deck. I would need some assistance and cooperation from The Archivist at Duke University.

Monte Barry -- Fort Collins, Colorado -- 420bikeandhike AT gmail dot com -- Monte's Taper Handbook

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 18, 2011 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Viva Monte!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 18, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Lost video tapes discussions
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a reel of 2-inch quad videotape
compared to a miniDV videocassette

European Tour 1972 • Tivolis Koncertsal • Copenhagen, Denmark
• April 17, 1972 lost video tapes debate

Telluride Bluegrass Festival 1985 • Challenger Productions • engineered by Glenn Hill & Monte Barry
• June 21-23, 1985 lost video tapes debate

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2011 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Here's the person to contact at Duke:

Megan Ó Connell
Reproduction Services
Special Collections Library
Duke University
Box 90185
Durham NC 27708-0185
phone: 919.660.5973
m.oconnell at duke dot edu

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Poster: corry Date: Feb 18, 2011 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Just to be clear, as the person who set this madness in motion (LostLiveDead is my blog), Megan at the Duke Archives could not have been nicer or more helpful. She would love the tape to be accessible, but the barriers to success are substantial. The tape is in a long lost format (EIAJ) for which there are very few working playback machines left in the world, much less at Duke.

The Duke Archivists would love for everything to be available, but Duke has numerous things that need to be digitized: Medieval Manuscripts, Census Data, government documents and on and on. They will be happy to cooperate if someone has a budget, but the cost would be over $500, possibly well over, with no guarantee of any success at all (and you don't get your money back).

I should add that if they make a copy, as far as I understand, the only option for viewing it would be to go over to the Duke Library and watch it there. OK for me, as I live nearby, but not for most people. Possibly the Garcia Estate could negotiate something, but we are all just civilians and thus could not receive a copy.

Personally, I am hoping some Duke Class of '76 (or 77-79) Alumni will foot the bill in the hopes of playing it at their next reunion, but it may be a big risk for a small chance at usable video. I just want to emphasize that all this interest has been driven by Deadheads--us--and while Duke Library could not have been more helpful, they have obligations and restrictions that they have to live up to.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 18, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

I viewed the YouTube clip that's mentioned in comments from Light Into Ashes on your Lost Live Dead blog. LiA is referring to the Cameron Indoor GD show at Duke University, on April 12, 1978. YouTube clip of Grateful Dead - US Blues 4-12-78 .

This video transfer is declared to be from Duke's video tape decks, cameras, lenses, and video switcher. I'm speculating that Duke students would have used this exact same gear 2 years earlier to record the JGB video tapes on April 4, 1976. Over at YouTube, you'll get to see exactly what we're talking about. (Actually, it's a lossy FLV file derivative.) The audio track that's on the US Blues clip is a stereo soundboard overdub. I do not know the Source and Lineage for this, but somebody transferred these video tapes. I saved the FLV file. It has Duke's credits on a title page at the end. There are more clips from this show.

That's my observation. I have No Budget for this project. You have my contact info.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2011 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

The interesting thing about the 4/12/78 youtube clips is that they're not, of course, from the original tapes, but from a copy made early on of the broadcast edit, with new audio overdubbed later.

I do have to wonder what condition the original reels are in, or would be in now...deadlists reports, "There is no trace of each of the three original reels. The films have reportedly long since disappeared from the Duke University archives."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2011 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Ditto what Corry said. Those who've read my comments on his post will have an idea how many barriers there are, especially for non-Duke "civilians" who aren't in the area. Not many folks have hundreds to spare for a long-shot that won't even be viewable outside the Duke library, and may be in poor condition even if the transfer is successful. And the prospects of Duke funding this on their own are not very high, at least at the moment. (They're not the ones who'd try to copy the video, but an outside service they'd hire.) My vague hope was that if the word spreads, maybe some wealthy Duke alumni (or even a show attendee) would hear of it...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2011 10:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Jerry Garcia Band 04/04/76

Page Auditorium, Duke University, Durham, NC
Early Show. Jerry Garcia Band: Jerry Garcia, Keith & Donna Godchaux, John Kahn, Ron Tutt

How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You, Catfish John, Russian Lullaby, I Second That Emotion, Who Was John, After Midnight, They Love Each Other, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, Tore Up Over You

Late Show. Jerry Garcia Band: Jerry Garcia, Keith & Donna Godchaux, John Kahn, Ron Tutt

Sugaree, Sittin' In Limbo, Mystery Train, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, The Harder They Come, Bless My Soul, Friend Of The Devil, Don't Let Go > My Sisters And Brothers

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2011 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Re: Overdubbing the SBD Audio Track on the Duke JGB video remasters, after the Transfers are complete --

How do I find out if SBD recordings were made for Early and Late shows? Do I have to ask Deborah Koons Garcia this question?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 19, 2011 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Pretty much...the only people who'd know are the keepers of the Garcia Vault. There's certainly no SBD circulating.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 19, 2011 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

LIA, I've sent the link to a bunch of folks, including Deadhead members of the Duke family. Things move slow, but we shall see. Sounds like something for money from the Doris Duke Foundation - not affiliated with the university, but is the family and highly supportive of the arts.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 18, 2011 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Ditto back to you and Corry. The resource that was cited by you, describing this video tape format, includes some very interesting links. On one guy's website, he describes himself and provides some stuff about his background. He's claiming he has the vintage video tape equipment restored, set up, and operational at his place in Maine.

"The equipment we employ here to make the transfers allows us to dramatically reduce the noise without any sacrifice in resolution or detail, and at the same time boost the video levels. The results are never as good as video properly shot in adequate lighting to begin with, but it accounts for a dramatic improvement as opposed to being transferred with no digital processing."

Above paragraph explains the presence of noisy video when analog cameras are set to high gain modes. High gain mode usage is common procedure for cameras when shooting low-lighting video scenes.

This guy sounds like he's a pretty cool character, we're nearly the same age, and we have some unusual stuff in common. He's definitely someone I'd feel pretty comfortable approaching about this. He's a "salt-of-the-earth" type guy, same as me. He's a "retired computer engineer > pilot > video technician > truck driver."

I've decided to give him a phone call, and see what's up at his joint. Why not? What's the harm in talking to this guy? He should be able to lay it out for us.

There's also another outfit that claims to be equipped to do this transfer. They showed a pretty high-end video tape facility on their website, so they're probably more expensive.

One last thing to consider is this. We can watch the Duke University YouTube clip of Grateful Dead - US Blues 4-12-78. The Duke University video tapes of JGB were shot on the same equipment when it was 2 years NEWER. I suspect these tapes will look better than the 1978 tapes. But it's still low resolution video.

Does anyone know if the SoundBoard tapes exist for this JGB show at Duke University on 4/4/76? It would be prudent to discuss overdubbing the SBD audio on the transfers, same as the clips mentioned from Duke's GD show on 4/12/78.

This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-02-19 04:02:29

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2011 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

I spoke to Bob Pooler for a few minutes this morning. 207-832-5064.
Video Interchange - ½" transfers web page
92 George Luce Rd
Waldoboro, Maine 04572

Video Interchange - price list web page

Bob says he's still up and running, and able to do these transfers.

Half-Inch Open Reel Video Formats

Released in the US in 1970

EIAJ, EIAJ-1, or EIAJ-2 -- B/W (-1) or Color (-2)
(Tape Baking is often required, but NOT included in the transfer cost)

Some EIAJ tapes stored in arid desert conditions such as the desert southwest with relative humidity 20% or lower, are often ok. All other EIAJ tapes will most likely require baking.

Length / Tape - per ½" reelPrice
0 to 30 minutes (first tape always)

95.00  (130.00 with baking)

31 to 60 minutes (first tape always)

140.00  (175.00 with baking)

each additional 30 minute tape70.00  (85.00 with baking)
each additional 60 minute tape100.00  (115.00 with baking)
Tape Screening  for content 34.00
Tape Splicing10.00

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DC Video -- Archived Videotape Remastering -- ½" E.I.A.J.-1 Video Format
Burbank, California

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 18, 2011 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

I wonder if it's possible to run an ad in the Duke alumni magazine, asking anyone interested or anyone with information about it to come forward.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Feb 18, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Are you sure that they're not accessible?

This is from the library's online inventory listing for the collection. Sounds like someone with the right tools just needs to ask the right way.

Access Restrictions
Patrons must sign the Acknowledgement of Legal Responsibility and Privacy Rights form before using this collection.

In off-site storage; 24 hours advance notice is required for use.

Use of this collection requires the creation of viewing copies from videotapes. However, University Archives does not have the equipment or the resources to make copies from U-Matic videocassettes or half-inch open reel video. To arrange for the creation of use copies from these formats, please contact University Archives staff. Although these recordings are now stored in a stable environment, their condition and playback quality is unknown.

EDIT: Okay, I read the rest of your posts now, and see that the machines needed to read the tapes are rare, and that the chances for success with those old formats is slim. Too bad. Hopefully it will get into their digitization queue soon.

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2011-02-18 16:19:34

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 18, 2011 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

Yeah, if you read to the bottom, the prospects get worse...
From the librarian:
"Reformatting was researched in 2006. At that time we were quoted $517.00 to reformat, and there was no guarantee it would even work. Another tape of that type from the same period was digitized and yielded no usable material. The price now would be at least that much, if not more, and there still would be no guarantee, but rather a high likelihood of failure... This tape is high on the reformatting priority list, but there’s no telling when it will be digitized."

I was surprised nobody copied this video back in the '70s or '80s when it would have been much easier. Shows you something about the relative popularity of JGB shows vs. the Dead....

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 17, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

LIA, when I interviewed the "boys" at Hampton in '84 for WXDU, a big part of that was people in the organization asking for the Cable 13 black and white footage of the show in Cameron. My "interview" ended up not happening due to logistics, but we did get to "meet and greet" very briefly and a bunch of our friends got guest listed to the show, with us then giving out our tickets to folks in the lot. Anyway, long winded way of saying I had NO IDEA of the JGB footage because when I got back from Hampton I had a lot of talks with Duke folks about giving the GD organization the Cable 13 footage in Cameron. It did NOT happen while I was still in school due to a variety of reasons. Probably same obstinance now due to "ownership" issues, but there are some big Duke alum Deadhead music ent lawyers (like the guy who helped put on/organize Watkins Glen while a student) that would surely love to help this see the light of day.

As another irrelevant tangent, when I returned there many years later, my ent law and IP guru law professor had the big Blues for Allah skeleton in his office. Suffice it to say, we hit it off right away.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 17, 2011 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Complete Video of 1976 JGB Show Found....Almost

I'm starting to finally feel not so out of it here ... I *did* know that. Your post with the details was very interesting.